Presidential Profiles – Forbes

Republican presidential candidates are stumping from state to state trying to get their message out to the party faithful. There’s lots of talk about taxes, the economy, and less government. There’s not a lot of talk about issues affecting the environment. In the third of a series of reports on the presidential candidates the Great Lakes Radio Consortium’s Lester Graham looks at the environmental positions of Steve Forbes.

Transcript

Republican presidential candidates are stumping from state to state
trying to get their message out to the party faithful. There’s lots of talk
about taxes, the economy, and less government. There’s not a lot of talk
about issues affecting the environment. In the third of a series of reports
on the presidential candidates. The Great Lakes Radio Consortium’s Lester
Graham looks at the environmental positions of Steve Forbes:


Publisher Steve Forbes’ message is popular with the right wing of the
republican party and independents with libertarian leanings: get
government out of the way and let free enterprise get down to business.


When you look at the candidate’s website, you won’t find “environment”
among the listed issues.


Allan Lichtman is a history professor at American University and the
author of the book Keys to the White House. Lichtman says Forbes’
positions on the environment are sort of hidden. You find them buried in
his economic policies. Lichtman says the way Steve Forbes defines
environmental protection is not the traditional way a lot of people view
it.


“So, to the extent Forbes, politically, has any position on this, it kind of is rolled

into his
position on enterprise and he doesn’t have, per se, an environmental posture that he’s

made a point in his
campaign and it hasn’t mattered that much so far because it’s not been a particularly

pointed issue in the
republican contest.”


One environmental issue has been a topic with Steve Forbes: global
warming. During a call-in show on New Hampshire Public Radio, Forbes made it
clear – he’s not buying it.


“I think that the jury is still out on global warming. And whether this is a real trend,

scientists,
thousands of scientists don’t believe that it is, that the data is very, very incomplete.

So, I oppose the Kyoto
Treaty. It would have an enormous decline on our standard of living. It allows countries

like China and
Brazil to a fare-thee-well, puts huge restrictions on us, lowers our standard of living. I

don’t want that kind
of massive concentration of power, lowering of standard of living in the United States and

other advanced
countries on the basis of very incomplete science.”


While Forbes does not often talk about his other environmental positions,
his views are available. Deb Callahan is the President of the League of
Conservation Voters. Callahan says Forbes is pretty easy to track…


“Well, if you read Steve Forbes columns, his own columns in Forbes magazine, he’s
actually written a number of articles ridiculing environmental laws and people who

advocate for
environmental protection. So, he actually has quite a written record. It’s something he’s

chosen not to
speak out about a lot in the campaign.”


The League of Conservation Voters found Forbes opposes government
regulation over public lands, preferring local control of how public lands
are managed.
He supports the Clean Air Act provided it’s implemented in a cost-effective
manner. He opposes much of the current endangered species regulations. Callahan says

Forbes’ over-arching message is that there aren’t any major
environmental problems.


“Steve Forbes actually thinks environmentalists’ concerns about over-population are
ridiculous and he’s called over-population ‘one of the most durable themes of the

save-the-worlders.’ He
has a very strong anti-regulatory approach concerning pollution and public health. He

comes from the
school of thought of, you know, government shouldn’t really be regulating and that the

private sector
should be sort of self-regulating.”


Supporters of limited government say self-regulation could save the
country’s economy billions of dollars. Jerry Taylor is the director of
natural resources studies for the libertarian think tank, the Cato
Institute. Taylor says Forbes proposes letting business find the most
efficient ways to reduce pollution instead of following procedures
mandated by the government.


“Every little step of the way, EPA tells businessmen how to go about controlling

pollution. What Forbes, as I understand it, is suggesting – and I think quite rightly – is it might

be best for business
to be given a standard, i.e. your plant can only emit “x” of pollutant “y”, but that it

should be up to the
businessman to decide for himself how to meet that standard.”


Taylor says he agrees with Forbes’ argument that more self-regulation
would not mean more damage to the environment… It would only mean
less government interference in private enterprise.


Professor Allan Lichtman says in his run for the presidency in 1996, in his
book, and in his column, Steve Forbes has been consistent in his positions on
the environment.


“As a strong supporter of enterprise, generally his position would be that the free enterprise
system is the best way in which we can protect the environment and avoid what he sees as

unreasonable
restraints on enterprise, coming from the environmentalists.”


Many environmentalists say they’re concerned that Forbes, if he’s elected
President, would dismantle a lot of environmental laws. Many
Libertarians and free-market folks say that might be, but it’s also in the
best interests of the private sector to preserve and conserve natural
resources as a way to sustain free enterprise.


For the Great Lakes Radio Consortium, this is Lester Graham.

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Presidential Profiles – Mccain

As Republican presidential candidates travel from state to state debating the issues, the subject of the environment is rarely brought up. In the second of a series of reports on the candidates’ positions on the environment the Great Lakes Radio Consortium’s Lester Graham examines the record of Arizona Senator John McCain

Transcript

As republican presidential candidates travel from state to state debating
The issues, the subject of the environment is rarely brought up. In the
second of a series of reports on the candidates’ positions on the
Environment. The Great Lakes Radio Consortium’s Lester Graham examines
The record of Arizona senator John McCain:


In a primary election, the candidates tend to avoid talking about positions
that might alienate the party’s most ideological voters. For the
Republicans that’s meant saying very little about environmental issues.
To talk green rankles the right wing of the party. Despite that, one
Republican has ventured into that green area. Even when he’s not directly
asked by reporters… Senator John McCain volunteers his feelings about
the environment at news conferences.


“The environment is critical to the future of this country. And ranging from the white
Mountains to the Grand Canyon to other great national treasures throughout this country,

they’re under
great stress and great strain and they’re at risk.”


At that New Hampshire press briefing, McCain went on to say the National
Park system is under-funded by six-billion dollars. He’s proposing issuing
bonds backed by park user fees.

Allan Lichtman is a history professor at American University and author
of the book, Keys to the White House. He says McCain’s rhetoric on the
environment sets him apart from the other republicans.


“He has politically, however, at least been the only republican who’s tried to at least

make
environment at least a rhetorical issue. He said at one point -I think I’ve got the quote

right here- ‘I
believe the environment may be the sleeper issue of the campaign. There’s great concern

throughout this
country and there’s great dissatisfaction that Congress and the President aren’t doing

enough.’ That’s a
rather remarkable statement for a republican. You certainly would not have Steve Forbes or

George W.
Bush saying that Congress and the President ought to do more for the environment.”


Lichtman says McCain’s environmental position has gotten lost as he and
the other republicans have stressed other issues. In senator McCain’s home state,

environmentalists tend to hedge their
comments about the candidate’s environmental record. Rob Smith is the
Sierra Club’s southwest staff director.


“As far as John McCain’s environmental record in Arizona, there’s certainly a number of

very
important things to point at. A primary one is his defense of the Grand Canyon. He’s also

supported two
different wilderness bills for the state. So, there’s an environmental record in Arizona.

That has not
translated into very much environmental leadership at the national level and that’s been

disappointing.”


Smith says McCain’s voting record in the U.S. Senate is a mixed bag. He’s
stepped back from a bill to protect a wildlife refuge from oil and gas
drilling, but he’s supported stricter emissions standards for automobiles.
McCain’s position on global warming is example of how McCain’s ideas can
cut both ways. The senator supports reducing emissions that are believed
to contribute to global warming. He also supports more research.


“We need to put the best scientific minds in America and the world on this issue. And we
have to make the American people understand that there is the possibility that there is a

problem with
global warming and some would view even a probability. As President, I would say ‘Ok,

let’s do
whatever’s necessary to get these minds together and these studies conducted so that we

can have some
ideas.’”


However, McCain has reservations about committing to the Kyoto Climate
Change treaty because of the economic costs. Despite his mixed record, a group of GOP

environmentalists called “Republicans for Environmental Protection” has endorsed John McCain.
Martha Marks is the organization’s president.


“Republicans for Environmental Protection is recommending Senator McCain to primary voters
who want to vote for the republican with the strongest record on environmental issues. And

I really think
that says it all. We’re not saying he is perfect Mr. Conservationist, because he’s not.
but, in this field of candidates, he’s the most responsive on our issues and we believe he

has the best track
record.”


The Republicans for Environmental Protection feels McCain is the only
republican who would be able to defend his record on the environment in
the general election.


Professor Allan Lichtman says, politically, McCain’s mixed record might
have wider appeal among voters.


“He has does have some motivation, unlike other republicans, to try to make this an issue
in order to expand his appeal to independents who are very much concerned about the

environment and
again to position himself as a very different kind of republican.”


And, if the early primaries are any gauge, Voters might be looking for a
different kind of republican.


For the Great Lakes Radio Consortium, this is Lester Graham.

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Presidential Profiles – Bush

The candidates running for president have had plenty of opportunities to talk about the issues during the last year. Seldom have they talked about the environment. In the first of a series of reports on the candidates’ positions on environmental issues the Great Lakes Radio Consortium’s Lester Graham looks at Republican George W. Bush.

Transcript

The candidates running for president have had plenty of opportunities to
talk about the issues during the last year. Seldom have they talked about
the environment. In the first of a series of reports on the candidates’
positions on environmental issues. The Great Lakes Radio Consortium’s
Lester Graham looks at republican George W. Bush:


Some supporters say they like George W. Bush because they liked his father.
While in the White House President Bush declared himself the
“environmental president.” Environmentalists generally concede some
advances were made in environmental protection such as in revising the
Clean Air Act and protecting wetlands.


But environmentalists in Texas say Governor George W. Bush does not
have the environmental record his father did. Ken Kramer is the Director
of the Lone Star chapter of the Sierra Club…


“Well, basically under Governor Bush, environmental policy has been

Pretty much dictated by
whatever business and industry wants.”


Kramer says Governor Bush has appointed former industry executives and
industry lobbyists to head environmental agencies that regulate
industry.
Kramer feels it’s a natural reaction for Bush. He says Bush is a former oil
wildcatter. He was raised among Texas oil and gas industry executives.


“So, he tends to think of the industry people as folks that he turns

to for information, support,
and advice. He doesn’t turn to environmental organizations or to people who

have a long record of
working with environmental issues to really get information about what

environmental policy should be.
so, pretty much since Bush has become governor, our environmental policies at

the state level have been a
reflection of what business and industry wants.”


The environmental regulations Bush has supported in Texas usually
revolve around voluntary compliance or incentives for pollution
reducing innovations. That approach is popular with business and industry
and it’s paid off for Bush. Oil and gas industry officials are among Bush’s
top contributors. According to federal election commission figures, oil
and gas interests have donated more than one-million dollars to the Bush
campaign.


Governor Bush rarely speaks about environmental protection on the
campaign trail. When he does use the word “environment” it’s usually
about business environment, as in this New Hampshire speech:


“But, prosperity occurs not ‘cause of government, but because of entrepreneurs and small
businesses and people who are willing to work hard to realize the American dream. And so

the job
(interrupted by applause) and so the job of government is to create an environment in

which
entrepreneurship can flourish. That’s why I’ll be supporting and proposing tax cuts.

That’s why I’ll support
Less regulation. That’s why I will fight for meaningful long-lasting real tort reform.”


Governor Bush believes environmental standards must be based on the
best science, that market-driven technologies can provide solutions, and
That government should encourage innovation and going beyond
Compliance.


In a speech on the George W. Bush website, the candidate talks about
shifting federal dollars to state and local control, and reinforcing
private property rights.


“As President, I will build conservation partnerships between federal and state

governments,
local communities, and land owners to protect and conserve our natural resources. Our

legacy should be an
unwavering commitment to preserve and conserve our treasured lands. A commitment I intend

to keep.”


Bush opposes the Kyoto Climate Change Treaty that calls for nations to
reduce global warming. The candidate supports a moratorium against
offshore drilling in California and Florida.


Alan j. Lichtman is a professor of history at American University and
author of the book, Keys to the White House. He says Bush is likely take the
same approach to the environment in the White House as he did in Texas.


“You are not going to find George W. Bush taking a regulatory approach when it comes to
environmental issues. I think he’s much more likely – absent tremendous political pressure

– to the
contrary to stick to his more voluntary approach and this is important because a number of

important
environmental laws are up for renewal over the next several years.”


But Lichtman believes Governor Bush won’t be saying much about his
positions on the environment during the primaries.


“He does not believe environment is a core issue with Republican primary voters and that
he’s going to particularly get an edge on other candidates by debating it.”


Lichtman says if Bush wins the Republican nomination, it’ll be different in
the general election. Whether he faces Bill Bradley or Al Gore… Bush’s
record on environmental protection is likely to be targeted by the
democrat.


For the Great Lakes Radio Consortium, this is Lester Graham.

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